Phelps video
In the summer of 2006 I had the opportunity to see the people from Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, KS. They were protesting Billy Graham outside of the Greensboro Coliseum. So John Stickley, Alan Cross and I went over to see and listen to the venom coming out of their mouths. It was horrible to hear the hate coming out of “church” people.
Rather than yell back at them, I wanted to see firsthand why they were so angry. John pulled out his video camera and we walked up to Shirley Phelps-Roper, the daughter of Fred Phelps who started this madness. They love the attention so they gladly agreed to the interview. A local news reporter tried to jump in during my interview. Anyway, I did not argue with her. That was not my reason for being there. I did it so I could see what makes them tick. It was very sad. Micah and John posted parts 1-3 of my interview with Shirley Phelps Roper of Westboro Baptist Church.
Caution: Some of her language is crude, cruel and vulgar! This interview broke my heart. Please pray for them.
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Just a heads-up: the Westbory Baptist Chuch link is broken.
Dear Kevin,
I just watched all three parts of your interview with Shirley Phelps-Roper. I admire your courage to talk to them, and to post the video on the Internet as well. I have been following this group for sometime.
I myself was raised Baptist and was Baptized at age 9. However, I will admit around age 16 or 17, I majorly began to stray from God, and in all honesty, I stray to this day. To put it bluntly, I am a vile sinner who dabbles in Christianity at best. I go to church more than most people, I pray and read the Bible nightly, I have and do accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior… however, the commandment to repent is the one that gets me.
I am perhaps a bit jaded in my belief that plenty of other Christians are in the exact same boat I am. How many go to church on Sunday, tithe, read their Bibles, and accept Christ… but at the same time commit alcoholism, fornication, homosexuality, addiction, and theft on the side?
Isn’t it impossible for man to stop sinning? If so, what does repent really mean? Did Jesus mean “go and sin no more” literally?
Now, back to the Phelps interview, as I mentioned earlier I have been following this group and have been trying to analyze their message for some time. Their argument brings many questions to my mind, but the biggest is the argument that God hates people, that God casts some people away, to where it doesn’t matter what they say or do…. they are going to hell. (at least that’s how I read into their message).
I pulled the following text verbatim off of their website…
“Repentance is a gift of God (Romans 2:4). God communicates that repentance and the fruits of it are manifest to all (Acts 26:20) and “the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” (Romans 11:29). Once saved, always saved. Based upon 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, there is a scriptural basis to believe that it is possible for a practicing fag to repent. On the other hand, Jesus Christ taught that “no man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him.” (John 6:44). In Romans 1, on three separate occasions, it says that God has given homosexuals up to uncleanness (v. 24), vile affections (v.26) , and to a reprobate mind (v. 28). If he has given them up to these things, he is not simultaneously drawing them to Christ. These verses are not incongruous, because if Christ died for them, the Holy Spirit will surely call them, God will in fact draw them, they will leave off that uncleanness, vile affections and reprobate mind, and the inevitable result will be that they will inherit heaven and not hell. Therefore, a fag who has truly repented is no longer a fag. We are not going to be left wondering about it, in light of the objective test which the Bible describes, including at II Timothy 2:19: “Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” ”
Have any homosexuals repented as a result of your picketing?
Yes, but this doesn’t matter. Christianity is not a game, consisting of who can get the most people to repent. Our job is simply to preach, and by the foolishness of our preaching, we hope that people will be saved. However, Jesus is the Savior, not us. No man can come unto Him unless the Father in heaven draws him, and He will call His sheep. Remember, Noah preached for 120 years and convinced nobody, and by that righteous preaching, he condemned the world.
When it says in the Bible that God is not willing that any should perish, doesn’t that mean God wants everyone to be saved?
No. Let’s look first at the entire verse. “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9. It is clear by any plain reading of this verse that the “not willing that any should perish” language is directed at and applies to only a specific group of people, here called the “us-ward.” Who are these “us-ward”? One need only go to the first chapter of 2 Peter to see who Peter is writing to, to wit: “to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.” Further, it is evidenced that not every individual of mankind is here meant because the persons intended by us are manifestly distinguished from “some men” in the text, and from scoffers, mocking at the promise of Christ’s coming, in the context, 2 Peter 3:3; and are expressly called beloved, 2 Peter 3:1; and God’s longsuffering towards them is their salvation, 2 Peter 3:15, nor is it true of all men, that God is not willing that any of them should perish, and that everyone of them should come to repentance, since many of them do perish in their sins, and do not come to repentance, which would not be the case, if his determining will was otherwise. Thus, God is not willing that any of His elect should perish and indeed none shall perish but all His elect shall come to repentance.
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Whew, that (to me) is a lot to comprehend! For me , the above boils down to basically two scenarios 1) you must repent to be saved. This is a common teaching in many Christian churches. Where I do see some difference is the interpretation of repent. Some Christian churches don’t mention that part at all.
Now, 2) (this one bothers me) … God/the Holy Spirit calls on people and draws them near. I can look at what the Westboro people say and ask the question…. well if God/the Holy Spirit calls and some people and draws *them* near, then others must not be called on or drawn near. If that’s the case, isn’t it the luck of the draw? Couldn’t one argue “God hasn’t selected me to be one of his people, so why bother?”.
This sounds strange, but this is the first time I have voiced these questions to anyone in any church. I worry (maybe wrongfully so) the Baptist church I go to might either A) not know what to say, B) hope that I would just leave for bringing up such a divisive issue or C) say the scripture was interpretted incorrectly by the Westboro people. That brings up another question… how do we know what interpretation *is* correct… plenty of denominations/people “connect the dots” (as Shirley said in her interview) to come up with what is correct. Well, I suppose everyone can’t be correct in their interpretation of the Bible , otherwise everyone would go to heaven. How do you know what to believe? And, in the end do our interpretations matter? The only thing that matters is what is correct, correct?
Thanks again for the insight and bringing these issues to light. You are causing people to think/talk/ and explore these matters when otherwise they might not.
Sincerely,
Jason
Jason, your heartfelt message is very moving. I do understand where you’re coming from, particularly the bit about God’s elect. It does make sense, when you ask, “why bother?” Indeed, my sentiments exactly.
If you examine the WBC site further, you will find that the Phelps family doesn’t have a 100% belief that they will go to “Heaven”. They have a hope, it is true, but not a belief. Imagine the tortures they must endure- daily preaching, exhorting, prophesying, observing a very strict form of Christianity- and at the end of it, no iron-clad guarantee of reaching their goal.
That, plus the fact that they believe that any member who leaves their paranoid compound is doomed to everlasting hellfire. Shirley has ‘lost” several siblings and at least one of her children to “the earth dwellers”- I would imagine that, being human, she must find this enormously distressing, seeing that she believes in a literal fire blazing for eternity.
I admired Kevin’s control during that interview-most interviewers try to shout her down, with predictable results. Kevin was quiet and courteous,which is the only way to handle a religious fanatic in those circumstances.
Stay tuned for their next Hannity & Colms interview, and the one on the Mike Gallagher show, which WBC opted for as an alternative to picketing the funerals of those poor little Amish girls.
Jason,
Thanks for stopping by. Part of my problem with Westboro is they interpret only what they want to interpret. They sure don’t display the “Fruit of the Spirit” in Galatians 5:22-23
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”
I don’t see any of that in Westboro. That is a mark of a true follower of Christ.
Hi Kevin. I didn’t think the WBC could do any worse than picketing soldiers’ funerals, but their planned protest at the Amish funeral had my blood run cold. Apparently, their signs were to read: “They Deserved It” and “Your Daughters are Burning in Hell”.
Their own pain and misery must be indescribable, that they could plan such a thing.
I am delighted that Mike Gallagher steered them away from committing such an action. Already, he’s drawn flak, but I think he did the right thing.
Whew! Check out god hates fags’s latest video effort! Phelpsie gives Mike Gallagher et al a real tongue-lashing. Well, there’s gratitude for you!
Hey Kevin- is it my jetlag or do you have anaemia??? That facebook pic of you is sooooo washed out!!
Jason there is no majic prayer you can pray. You just have to take Jesus at His word John 6:47 Most assuredly I tell you he who believes in Me has eternal life. It’s just that simple even a little child can be saved. The means by which this is made possible is by the cross.
The one who would say,,but what about the Book of James? James is written to people that already have life, and the justification James is talking about is a justification before men. Faith without works is dead, so get to work!
The Gospel of John is written for the purpose that people might have life (John 20:30-31). The assurance we have is in Jesus promise (John 3:16;5:24;6:47;11:25-27).
1 John 5:13 says we can know we have eternal life, if it had anything to do with our works we could never know because our works are not perfect. But Jesus promise of eternal life to the one who believes in Him is sure,,,God cannot lie!
Jason said: Isn’t it impossible for man to stop sinning? If so, what does repent really mean? Did Jesus mean “go and sin no more” literally?
Question? Is there any other scripture that talks about not sinning literally? Yes
1 John 3:5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
Jason these verse’s are also to be taken literally. How much sin is in Jesus? None! We never sin as an expression of the abiding. Whenever we sin it is an expression of not abiding.
These verse’s are usually taken as meaning we do not sin as a habit. But these verse’s clearly state that we cannot sin. Not that we can sin a little, but that we cannot sin at all. We never sin as an expression of the New Man in us,whenever we sin it is an expression of the Old Man who is after Satan. So when we are sinning it is as if we have never seen Jesus or known Him.
But, we have a problem! Were living in a dead body! We have to choose daily to put on the New Man (Eph 4:24).
Romans 8:10 says: And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
We need resurrection life for our dead body, the Christian life is a supernatural life, it’s Christ living His life in us and through us.
So we won’t be without sin until we see Him face to face. If we say we have no sin we deceive ourself, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8). But the capacity is there in the New Man, and that’s where Jesus want’s us to abide and to sin no more,,,,alvin
Jason said:Now, 2) (this one bothers me) … God/the Holy Spirit calls on people and draws them near. I can look at what the Westboro people say and ask the question…. well if God/the Holy Spirit calls and some people and draws *them* near, then others must not be called on or drawn near. If that’s the case, isn’t it the luck of the draw? Couldn’t one argue “God hasn’t selected me to be one of his people, so why bother?”.
Jason that’s not how it is, God sent His Son to die on the cross for you He paid for all your sins. He loves you that’s why He did it. And Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men unto Him John 12:32.
Jason, Jesus told the women at the well: If you new the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water (John 4:10). Jason Jesus would have already given it to her if she would have asked. The water is the saving message and when it is believed it springs up into eternal life. Jason you can believe Jesus promise, and it is to you. 99 times in The Gospel of John the only condition for eternal life is simply to believe! John 6:47 Most assuredly I tell you he/or she who believes in Me has eternal life. That’s what Jesus promises you can take Him for His word! And like He told the women in John 4 one drink and she will never thirst! alvin
Jason said:
Whew, that (to me) is a lot to comprehend! For me , the above boils down to basically two scenarios 1) you must repent to be saved. This is a common teaching in many Christian churches. Where I do see some difference is the interpretation of repent. Some Christian churches don’t mention that part at all.
Jason repentance is not a condition for the free gift of eternal life! Repentance is a work, that’s why John The Baptist told the Pharisee’s when they were coming to get baptized. They needed to bring fruits worthy (works) of repentance Matt 3:7-8. Jesus said in Matt 12:41 about the men of Nineveh repenting, and if you go there you see God saw their works and relented (Jonah 3:10).
Are all men commanded to repent? Yes, all men believers and unbelievers! But not for the gift of eternal life! That’s why you don’t find the word for repent in the only book of the Bible written for the purpose of evangelism (John 20:30-31). Also you don’t find the word for repent in Paul’s defense of the Gospel (Galatians). Why? Because Paul is defending the Gospel of faith without works, and repentance is a work you do.
So what is the purpose of Repentance? It has to do with temporal judgement! Either to keep God’s judgement coming upon you, or to bring and end to God’s judgement. Acts 20:21b repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. You see they are two different things, it’s faith in Christ for the free gift of eternal life. It’s repentance toward God to bring harmony with God. Of course now no one will find harmony with God without believing in His Son. In Acts 16:31 the Philippian Jailer wasn’t told to repent to be saved, but only to believe in Jesus to be saved! But you cant just believe in Jesus to be saved, you must believe Him for His gift of eternal life to save you. You see that’s at Paul’s core of his message and what it means to be saved. 1 Timothy 1:15,16 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came to save sinners, of whom I am chief. However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.
Repentance is not a condition for the free gift of eternal life, or it wouldn’t be a free gift. Repentance does facilitate faith though, if a person is repentant he or she is in a good position to believe in Jesus for everlasting life. But I also know of people that have repented of something, and turned from it that do not believe in Jesus for eternal life.
How about a verse that’s says: unless you repent you will perish? The word perish can simply mean to die! If fact where this verse is the people that Jesus is talking about the tower feel on them and they died (Luke 13:3,5).
So Jason the only condition for the free gift of eternal life is to simply believe Jesus promise! That way you know you have eternal life based upon Jesus promise alone (1 John 5:13; John 6:47). If it was based on your repenting you could never know, because you could always be asking yourself if you were sincere enough, repentance isn’t perfect just like our works aren’t.
If you want more information on this subject buy a Book called “Absolutely Free” by Zane Hodges through Grace Evangelical Society,,,,,,alvin
We had a UK journalist called Louis Theroux do a program in this family for the BBC. It is just as you say heart breaking.
She only has one volume…… LOUD! it is painful listening to her.
It is amazing how she picks and chooses bits of scripture and is simply so arrogant as to not listen when her actions contradict scripture. Love God and Love your neighbor Jesus said sums up the commandments.
I would love to know her childhood history, and where this hatred comes from. It is just so sad!
The Lord will judge her actions and pierce her heart.
Andrew, if you Google “Addicted to Hate”, you’ll read about Shirley’s appalling childhood, and if you have a spark of human kindnesss, your reactions will be deep compassion, a thankfulness that your chidhood was not like that ( if applicable) and horror that this domestic situaton could ever exist.
Hers was a nightmare existence of forced route marches, food deprivation, savage beatings ( with a mattock!), verbal cruelty, being isolated from her peers ( by which I mean other children of her own age) etc etc. Four of her siblings have left the compound, never to return.
I grew up in an abusive household, and I understand exactly where she’s coming from.
As for her loudness, have you considered that she may be deaf, and unaware of it? It’s very possible that her father’s extraordinary violence harmed her hearing capacity in some way. It happened to me, so I can empathise with that.
She’s not being “arrogant” - she’s just been conditioned to be that way, ie, to see the world from only one viewpoint- her father’s.
BTWE, Shirley’s dad is now denouncing Louis Theroux as being “demon-possessed”. Well, that’s gratitude for you!
Francoise, It has been inspirational to read your various comments on this site. Clearly you understand the situation we grew up in better then most. Before I go on, let me take a moment to give a bit of insight to Andrew about our “childhood history”. In addition to reading Addicted to Hate, I can give you one physical example of what Shirley lives with every day of her life as a result of not “obeying her parents”. Shirley was one of the kids who understood the danger of crossing her father and learned early on in her life to toe the line and avoid his wrath. However, in the violent turmoil of our youth, no one escaped untouched by his madness. During one of her few encounters with the Mattock, my father beat her so viciously that she carries the physical scar on her upper hip permenantly. His lashes were so hard that a section of the tissue and muscle in her hip was permenantly displaced so that she had a large tumor like lump there that never went away. Of course it’s been nearly 30 years since I was there, so I can’t speak with absolute authority about whether it exists now. I can tell you that it was there for at least 5 or 6 years during the time I was there. I don’t imagine something that long lasting finally corrected itself.
Now I would like to comment on some of the other points raised by Francoise and others, like Jason.
I UNDERSTAND the turmoil that exists in the mind of a human when they try to navigate their way through the madness of Calvin’s doctrine of Predestination…heck, any of the TULIP doctrines will leave the serious student of Calvinism anxious and unresolved. The essence of Calvanism is this: You don’t have anything to say or do with your salvation. It is God who chooses (chose in the council halls of eternity my father would say) and you can’t do anything about it. BUT…if he didn’t choose you, you get to suffer for eternity in a real hell. Utter, unvarnished madness!
When I watched the 3 parts of that interview one thought occured to me over and over…that’s my father up there talking. I mention this to make the important point, very important point, that none of these people actually choose this dogma except my father. If you examine the dynamics of our childhood, that becomes absolutely clear. In order for a person to make a choice, they have to be presented with the choices AND have the right to pick the one they want without outside interference. For most “normal” people, they are raised with a certain belief system then as they reach adulthood they are free to review and consider alternative beliefs then pick that which resonates with them. No such option ever existed for anyone in that family.
Every aspect of our lives was dictated, managed, observed, and adjusted EXCLUSIVELY at the whim of my father. This extended into our adulthood under the auspices of his authority as the pastor of “The Place”. Of course there were the occassional challenges that were violently squashed by the old man. His authority was, and is, absolute. There has not been an original thought from that entire group, ever, lest it came from Fred W. Phelps, Sr.
On the occassion when someone insisted that they be given the freedom to make their own choices independent of Fred (notice I DID NOT say God) they were cast out, “delivered to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that their spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord”. The practical consequences of being cast out meant no more contact with any member of the church (or they would be cast out too), and the maddening voice of my father ringing in our heads with the constant reminder of this angry, spiteful, vengeful God waiting for the opportunity to punish you for your sins. Of course, bad things happen to all of us, but the result of such a skewed upbringing is that all those bad things are interpreted through this twisted filter of an angry God seaking retribution. So you see, it was impossible for them to choose an alternative by any fair definition of “choice”.
It’s important to note here that every one of my siblings left home, at least down to my sister Becky (that would be the 8 oldest kids) during the time I was aware of specific events in our family. To say that 4 left dilutes the truth of that situation somewhat. THEY ALL LEFT for a time, but as soon as life dealt a few blows, most of them returned to the shelter they knew. Regardless of the physical and emotional violence of that place, it was what they knew and where they felt safe.
I mean, think about the very language I’m using. Most people dont think in terms of “leaving” their family in the way we understood it. Kids will grow up and decide to go out on their own, with the support and blessing of their parents and family members. When I say “leaving”, I’m talking about they turned their back on the madness of that place, knowing full well the consequences, only to return out of petrifying fear of their eternal souls.
Don’t be fooled here folks. This is not Shirley’s religion, this is my father’s and she is bound too it with the most unbreakable chains. All his anger, rage, and hate, where ever it came from, has been transferred to my siblings through the vehicle of hyper-Calvinism. They embrace it and reflect it to the world lest they self-destruct in it’s heat, and it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with God, gays, soldiers, short-haired women, or anything else but mindless rage.
For myself, from the earliest memories, I doubted my father’s words. Too many contridictions, too much hate, and too much conflict directly between my father and I. For me it came down to an amalgimation of: I’m going to hell and I can’t stop it so I might as well just live my life on my terms and a certainty that I would have nothing to do with a God cruel enough to have a servant like my father. Over the years I have studied and evolved to a place where I give very, very little credibility to the Bible save for those lessons about how to live and treat others. I dismiss out of hand any teaching that uses the Bible to divide or punish any particular group of people.
This is probably alot more information then any of you care for, but Francoise’s words got me going. I always appreciate intelligent, thoughtful commentary on this subject.
Nate,
Thanks so much for your insight. I’m so sorry for the pain you had to endure. Do you still have a faith in God? I will pray more for Shirley now that I know this.
I really would like to watch these and to link them, but I can’t get the video to load. Any ideas?
Great site by the way!
I don’t know what to tell you. My links are working.
They are working for me now, but weren’t on Sunday. Oh well, I’m getting ready to watch them now.
Wow. I’ve been watching this group with a curious eye for a while now. I wondered what would cause someone to be so full of hate. I think that I understand why it happened to Shirley Phelps. I just don’t understand how she could desire to pass that on to her Children…
I grew up in an abusive household as well, though not nearly as bad as what I percieve Nate and Shirley’s childhoods to have been. I still find it hard to comprehend…..But I guess some parts of the human condition aren’t for me to understand. I just wander what if anything can stop that cycle of violence and hatred? Will the next generation of Phelps have it just as bad? I hope not.
Nate Phelps- I’m so sorry that I missed your post a few weeks ago- I just saw it now, and appreciate your perspective, and the fact that you expanded our knowledge of your background. I hadn’t known that others had left, albeit temporarily, poor, poor souls. I wish I could give them all a big hug and ease away their hurt and pain.
I wept quite a bit whilst reading your post, because I had the same background, in kind, though not quite of degree, that you endured, and the word “God” still evokes in me images of a psychopathic bully- which describes my church-going, wife-bashing, cruel, selfish and vicious father very well. I cannot ever see the words “loving father” without a sense of bewilderment- for to me, that’s an oxymoron. Ooops, probably repeating myself.
I have read “Addicted to Hate” many times, and cry each time. Tragic! It had to be written - I’m so glad it was, because every time I see people bagging Shirley, I can always point them in that direction, and ask them how they would have turned out, had they lived in that mad compound.
Shirley scarred by a mattock- I break out in a cold sweat at the thought of it. I’m fairly astute at sussing people by their faces, and your sister strikes me as basically a kind-hearted and well-meaning person caught up in a Hell that was not of her volition. Actually, I think she probably has a wickedly “Puckish” sense of fun, and would be good company when she’s not compelled to shout about “God”.
Nate, is it possible that your Dad may have been sexually assaulted when he was young- maybe by a father-figure? I know he was very young when his Mum died, and he may have seen that as her “abandoning” him, as children often do. This pre-occupation with others’ sexual habits has to spring from somewhere.
I really hope we hear more from you, Nate. Kevin- could you please let Nate know that I have answered him, and would you notify me if he posts again? Thanks!
Nate:
Your post on your upbringing rang true for my disfunctional family life gowing up as well. Only ours was a cakewalk compared to yours.
Any chance of sharing your story with our audience?
Yes, Tim, my sentiments exactly. I thught I’d had it tough, and then I read “Addicted to Hate”, which broke my heart amd made me thankful to have escaped that unspeakable level of vileness.
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These videos break my heart. I do pray for that whole group.
Kevin, interesting about the fruit of the Spirit that you mention- from what I’ve seen of Theroux’s documentary, the Phelps clan seem to display a lot of love towards one another. Shirley’s house is immaculate, her children are healthy and attractive, and she appears to be an excellent parent - all a very far cry from the neglected children I saw in my police days. Let’s give credit where credit is due.
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I can’t believe this. Thanks for posting these videos. I don’t really understand how they are trying to twist Jn 3:16ff, but I guess they are trying to make it say you have to believe in order for God to show you love.
I’m so glad that isn’t true. The thing I do find interesting is that all the scriptures she quoted that Jesus said were directed at the “religious Pharisees” not the sinners. She wouldn’t let you talk so there wasn’t room for you to say a word.
Jesus told those same Pharisees that what he wants more than the sacrifices and offerings (commanded by Him) was mercy and love (Matt 12:7)
By the way God wants all the come to the knowledge of the truth and you do that by yelling at them and calling them sinners. I don’t know one person who has been changed by those means.
You are right. Pray for them and truly try to find room to forgive these people. It will be hard for me, but it is what Jesus has called us to. Love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. Thanks again
I have recently seen this video on youtube, and what I want to know, and will word it the best way I, can is: If it is against the law to purchase pornographic magazines and videos, regardless of how soft or hard the content, under the age of 18, Then where does the WBC have the right to hold up obvious sex gestures in front of their children in public, or having their children hold up these pornographic picket signs? isn’t that breaking the law? Isn’t that a lawyer breaking the law? She is clearly displaying this sign in front of a child??? This bothers me. is there anyone who can answer my questions?